State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? That poor child and that poor woman. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. Exactly (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Trash-talking ex. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. Patty is my cousin. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Conflicting versions. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Why? The evidence was all there. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Still, no good leads materialized. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Patricia Owens, Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. They broke up in 1993. Or did they? 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Disagree with Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. Hoist by your own petard. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Jerry Browns office. 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. SHAME ON THEM. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. (A good point. We lived close to one another. The first rule of a murder is motive. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. Its nine minutes into the video. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Everyone lies. Thank you and well said. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. False. She is the one who tricked them, first by I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. The women testified last week. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Nailed? But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Liesbeth Powers/The ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Her mother was married to my uncle. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Then you claim this is an opinion. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. The state police dropped him as a suspect. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. None. Youll have to make do with what you see here. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Unbloody vehicle. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Book her. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Your email address will not be published. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. You know whats interesting? One on one? If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). she didnt need to . They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Yeah, no. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. THE COPS SET HER UP. It makes me sick. Or did they? Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance.
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